16 April 2013

Bosch PMF 180e and PMF 190e multi tool, 230VAC

Bosch PMF 180e multi tool just stopped working today. 
(The same apply for PMF 190e)



I was using my Bosch PMF 180e today and it just stopped.
It was strange that it gave up the ghost without smelling burnt or being hot at all.

I had been using it for 10 minutes doing some light DIY.
I decided to open it up to check out what could be wrong. 

9 x screws keep it together (see red circles). I used a normal flat headed screwdriver.


I could not see anything wrong after I've opened it. I used a multimeter in order to check for continuity through the cable and to the coil. Everything was ok. I removed then the 2 screws (red circle) to be able to remove the circuit board. 


I checked for continuity between the orange cable which was connected to the coil (without red circle) and the blue cable connected to the coil. It was ok.
Then I checked the other pair (white cable and the orange cable with red circle). There was no continuity. I realised then that the winding connections had snapped (the thin bit of wire winding where it joins the connector within the red circle).



I soldered the wire winding to the connector and put the multi tool together again. 
Surprise, it worked again.
I think vibration could be a problem for this kind of tool an most probably the reason for the failure.

150 comments:

  1. Hi Jan, thanks to your blog I've managed to fix my multitool. I had the same problem, the tool just stopped working after very little use. I had a broken winding near the orange cable but on the other coil (between orange and blue). Thanks for a great blog.

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    1. Thanks! Good to know that I could help you! ;)

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  2. Hello Jan, i have fixed my tool with your information.
    Thank you verry mutch!!!
    It was verry usefull.

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  3. Jan you are a legend, I had exactly the same problem, now resolved thanks to you.

    Mine stopped working in March, but I haven't needed it until recently. Last week I bought a half the price no-name alternative, but then discovered its not exactly compatible with the Bosch accessories, they would have been held purely by friction. So before committing to the new tool and using it, to perhaps discover that my Bosch accessories would come loose meaning I'd then have the not so cheap prospect of buying new accessories, I thought I'd have a quick look online to see if there are any common problems with the Bosch tool... here I am, first page I looked at, will be taking the no-name tool back tomorrow!

    Thanks Jan

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    1. Thanks! Always nice to get some feedback. Makes it easier to continue the blog :)

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    2. Thanks Jan - you’ve just saved me £75. I had exactly the same fault and had assumed a burnout in the coil until I read your blog. Found exactly the same loose wire and am about to solder it back. Thanks again

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  4. Thanks for the blog, mine is up and running again. :-)

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  5. You are a Legend, had the same trouble with mine, opened it up and now 15 minutes later it's up and running again, Thanks a Million.

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  6. Thanks Yan had the same problem with my PMF 190E only used it a few times and just stopped as I was cutting through door fame . Had taken it apart but could not to find fault .Found your blog and you were spot on TOP MAN Thanks Glen

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  7. Interesting you said you ran yours for TEN minutes. I have PMF 10,8LI and I rarely run it for more than 2 minutes as it gets so hot. Mine has stopped working now (6 months old and rarely used) I plan to return it to B&Q - if that fails - get the screwdrivers out. Thanks

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  8. Fixed my PMF-180E with your guide. It had the same problem. Thanks!!

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  9. I had the same problem, I followed your instructions, although I was sceptical at the time but continued anyway and surprise surprise it worked. That has saved me going out and buying another or similar tool. Thank you very much for making my day.

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  10. Thanks. I fixed bosch pmf 190 e with this article.

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  11. thanks Jan.. much appreciated keep up the good work x scott

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  12. Many thanks Jan, multi tool back to it's noisy best.

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  13. My PMF 190E suddenly stopped working. After finding your post, I managed to fix it.

    Thanks!

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  14. Awesome diagnostics Jan. Exact same problem with my PMF 190E. Blob of solder on all 4 wires into the motor and it's working again. Definite design flaw that Bosch should address and/or recall for a fix

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  15. Thx jam, you saved my pmf180e. Explanations and pictures very helpful to fix the problem.

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  16. Thanks for your excellent guide to bring my dead PMF180E back to life again.

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  17. Many thanks, was able to fix my PMF 190E which just stopped on me last night while I was doing a delicate job. the wife was holding the vacuum cleaner to catch the dust and couldn't understand why I was so upset as it's my favourite power tool.

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  18. Thanks for the info Jan,

    I have the same tool that stopped working also.
    The problem was the diac (small blue component, located next to the power wires connector, at the side where the wires are connected).

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    1. Thanks a lot for your info!!
      I could to fix the mine (was an intermitent fault) replacing the diac.

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    2. Hi, Can you tell me how to check the Diac and if faulty how do I identify the replacement? I checked all the winding as shown above - nothing wrong. When I re-assembled I got a short (half a second) sign of life then nothing.

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    3. Many thanks - just fixed my builder mate's tool that had only had light use and he'd lost the reciept. Soldered all 4 field wire terminals and repacked the rear bearing with grease while I was at it as I noticed it is an open bearing(!) liable to dust getting in.

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  19. Thank you! Il fix my PMF190e. Small wire broken on stator.

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  20. Thanks for your blog, my 180 e multi suffered the same symptoms and had the same tiny wire broken off of the winding at the connection. Lightly sanded the wire with fine wet & dry to in order to solder it back onto the connection. A little hard to see due to the size of the wire but did get it soldered back on, tool now back up and running. all fixed thanks for your info.

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  21. Thanks for the heads up and repair...

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  22. Well done for publishing this advice Jan, my PMF 190E failed exactly as described, dismantled it as you show, continuity tested the windings, 20 ohms for one, open circuit the other. Wire too short to reattach so ( bravely) unwound one complete turn very slowly & gently, scraped a section clean of the enamel & soldered it onto the tag. Tested again - 20 ohms all round, excellent. Trimmed off the excess wire & reassembled my buzz saw. Hey presto its a runner. Thank you so much for giving me the confidence to give it a shot.

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  23. Awesome, same fault, fixed!

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  24. Same for me, now up and running again. Thanks!!!

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  25. Bingo, same problem here. Thanks for the tip

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  26. Hi Jan . Tried you idea but wires seemed fine , took motor etc out for a closer look and prodded the wires and hey presto one moved , it had sheered off , Dug out old solder iron , and tho i'm not very good at soldering , managed to bodge it . Works great thanks, PS, bosch power tools are indeed worth every penny , i have quite a few which i use daily , also our dishwasher is Bosch too, excellent products , From Mister Fixit Medway

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  27. I have the same problem and I am in the process of repairing it. One question,,,,there is a long wire coming out of the circuit board (black plastic then clear pastic with about 2 cm of bare wire - you can see it on the picture earlier. Where does it go ??

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    1. Sits in the groove of the plastic shell for that side.

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    2. but what does it do, does it touch the motor body¿

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    3. I'm guessing it is some kind of heat-protection, if the motor runs for too long, or gets too hot, it automatically turns of.

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  28. Same problem, thanks for info, not too easy to re-solder but machine back up and running, cheers.

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  29. Borrowed my fathers tool (82 year old) And it died after 3 min. Google found your site. And the same error. Now must buy a Solder.

    Og skal snart besøke ditt hjemland. Gift med en Svenske :)

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    1. Bosch was making making multi tools 82 years ago??

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  30. Hi Many thanks for your blog had a closer look at the field winding and sure enough there was a little burn mark on the terminal and when I pulled the wire it came loose. When it stopped working I was in the middle of a job and needed to finish it so I know have a spare

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  31. Hi Jan. Thanks for your invaluable tips. Encountered the same problem with my brand new 190e after a couple of minutes use on my door trim. Followed your steps and got the tool working again!

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  32. where does the long single wire go

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  33. As above - it sits in the groove of the left hand (looking down) plastic shell of the tool.

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  34. As above - it sits in the groove of the left hand (looking down) plastic shell of the tool.

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  35. Jippi! I repaired my tool. Thanx a bill

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  36. Thank you this fixed my 190e

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  37. Hi. Thank you for your blog. I repaired my 190 e. Best regards from Croatia.

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  38. Continuing the "Thanks". Saved me having to go out and buy a replacement. All working well now.

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  39. Thanks a lot! You have now fixed also a 190e in Belgium!
    Exactly the same problem, its was the very thin wires ;-)

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  40. Tried fixing my PMF 180-E earlier, no success. thought might be bushes. then Googled (bosch 180-E stopped working). top of the page your blog, started to read it, took my 180-E apart again, there it was, a tiny wire. soldied it and hey presto it came back to life. good paqe at the top of the page. spot on keep it up.

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  41. Nice tip. Thanks a lot. I had purchased a 190E last year, and managed to lose the receipt. I took it apart and checked the connections with a multimeter, as no wires seemed broken. Found a bad connection on a wire from the coil. heated up the soldering iron, and 5 minutes later I was in business again. Thanks from a Handyman in Denmark.

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  42. Nice work my man, just saved my self weeks on waiting time to and from my Bosch service centre. Super cheap connections were doomed to fail.

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  43. Thank you for the info'.
    PMF 190E stopped. Had it about 2 yrs. Very little use of it.
    Was a broken wire to one of the coils at where it is on the connector which was difficult to see, it came away when pulled.

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  44. Thank you for the information. I have a 190E which my son has been using extensively - suddenly stopped. Exactly as you described - very fine copper wire from one coil snapped at attachment to copper blade. Only visible with magnifying eye piece and very difficult to clean ans resolder but hopefully will last.
    David S.

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  45. Bonjour, merci pour l'information j'ai suivi les conseils et l'appareil fonctionne de nouveau.

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  46. you have saved me a lot of fuss and bother. I took the day off to do a job on our box room and the first thing to happen was the multi-tool packed up. after seeing your post, I took it apart and one of the 4 windings had quite clearly become disconnected. soldered it and it worked! thanks very much! David

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  47. yes fixed it, the wires weren't broken, just bad connection where they crimpted it. such a well made tool let down by a silly fault. Found it in skip, what does it do!

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  48. also wel done Bosch for using screws that you can actually undo with a screw driver

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  49. Mine had the same problem. Very happy I found your page. Thanks a lot.

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  50. Hi, many thanks for help !Wire weren't broken, just bad connection. One more time BIG Thanks.

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  51. Mate, this post is the gift that keeps on giving - I had the same problem, diagnosed quickly because of your blog and fixed within an hour. Saved my day! Now, if we could only get Bosch to fix the design problem . . . :-)

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  52. was hoping that I had the same problem as you, but unfortunately not. I checked the winds and both are approximately 18-20 ohms! All the mechanical parts are moving freely, the circuit board shows no signs of any burned components. It is dead as a door nail!! And there is power getting to the windings. I’m lost as what the problem is, any suggestions would be very grateful. Thks Mike

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  53. Great tip, I had one 190E pack up on me about a year ago chucked it in the shed and bought a replacement, that did the same thing, just stopped working, took it apart and sure enough wire was detached, repair worked fine so dug out the one from the shed and would you believe it, same wire, I now have two working machines, one in reserve if the other packs up again and I can carry on working until I can fix it again, I'm a happy man. Rick.

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  54. One more PMF 190 e brought back to life tonight thanks to your tip.
    Many thanks from Sweden. Regards Per

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  55. Another grateful fan here! Mine is a 190e but the principle appears the same and I located a broken wire. But isn't it thin? Still after a bit of faffing with the soldering iron I'm up and running again. Thanks Jan. Tel Boy Yorkshire

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  56. Another grateful fan here! Mine is a 190e but the principle appears the same and I located a broken wire. But isn't it thin? Still after a bit of faffing with the soldering iron I'm up and running again. Thanks Jan. Tel Boy Yorkshire

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  57. couldn't see any loose or broken wires, but re-soldered all 4 and hey presto it worked. thanks for your tutorial on this.

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  58. Had the same problem and fixed it.
    Many thanx

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  59. Brilliant - fixed my PMF190E as well. Many thanks...

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  60. Excellent advice bud. I had to look really hard for split in the wire,and thought u were wrong. 3rd time looking i seen it. Brill. Ta.

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  61. Thanks Jan, thought I would have to buy a new one but mine just needed soldering too. Clear advice thanks so much for posting this.

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  63. Read your Blog turned out mine had the same problem as the rest re-soldered the connection and away to go thanks for the tip

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  64. Hi thanks for this great post!

    my pmf 180 stopped working and followed your instructions. sure enough there was no continuity between the orange and blue cables.
    the problem is the small wire from the coil does not appear to be broken.

    Have you got any idea what else the problem could be?

    Thanks
    Robbo

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    1. If there is no continuity, the thin wires from/to the coil or the coil itself is broken.

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  65. I had same problem. The wires were not broken. The connection to the coil is just crimped. I think you get a small amount of corrosion which stops the contact. You need to carefully clean the wire to the coil next to connection and solder it. It might work then

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  66. My 190 was about to be binned with the same problem broken wire until I read your post. Now working as normal. You've just saved me buying a new one. Thanks Peter

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  67. I also had the same problem, the thin connecting wire to the field coil broke off. Seems like a design fault on Bosch's side. Thanks for the blog, found it by googling.

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  68. I also had the same problem, the thin connecting wire to the field coil broke off. Seems like a design fault on Bosch's side. Thanks for the blog, found it by googling.

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  69. Thanks for taking the time to explain this, soldered the wire back and all ok.. After all these years Bosch are still selling this junk, they should be ashamed

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  70. Great tip.
    Spent 30 minutes looking for the receipt to return my PMF190E to B & Q without success, then 10 minutes repairing the broken connection.
    Bosch should be ashamed of themselves for not addressing this obvious manufacturing fault!!

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  71. This worked very well for my PMF190E too, I couldn't find what was wrong until I read your post. Same broken wire, although very hard to see. Fixed and hopefully it'll last for a while.

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  72. Thanks! I had the same problem with the tiny cable being broken or at least didn't have any connection. Since I didn't have a soldering iron I simply untwiated the tiny cable one lap from the coil and twisted it around the connection instead. Works like a charm!

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  73. Thanks, you saved me too. You're welcome by for a couple of beers!

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  74. Thanks - you just saved me from buying a professional bosch multi cutter. Exactly the same problem as you. There wasn't enough coil-wire so had to unwind one trip of the thin cobber wire to reach, sodered it to board and bam! it works =)

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  75. Thanks for the hint. My 190 stopped working this afternoon in the middle of a job. Found the broken wire with a little black burn mark.
    Soldered up and back in business.

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  76. Thanks for the guide. I unplugged and re plugged the white wire and the tool is now working again!

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  77. Hi Jan

    I was so glad to find your blog as my Bosch PMF 180 E has exactly the same problem and with your help found exactly the same fault! Now to brush up on my soldering skills ��
    I guess it seems to be a design issue

    Thanks again as this has saved me some serious cash!

    BR
    Jon

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  78. Dude Thanks had the same problem my looks a bit different inside but shame thing.
    PMF 190 E

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  79. Hi, thanks for this article, I had exactly the same problem and on stripping down the tool found one of the thin wires off the coil had come loose. A little bit of solder saved me buying a new tool. Bosch must be makinga small fortune off this problem!!

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  80. ....and another repair thanks to this blog.
    well done Jan for the info.... seems you have saved quite a few people either a costly repair or from purchasing a new tool.
    well done. :)

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  81. What a great blog......just fixed my PMF19E; had a fractured wire to the field coil which was no doubt caused by the tool vibration. Soldered it directly back to the terminal and that was all that was wrong! I added a local drop of glue between the 'white coil body' and the fine coil wires (x4 positions) just before they connect to help 'vibration fracture' again maybe!? Perhaps Bosch should think of doing something similar.

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  82. Exactly the same problem on the 190e but now fixed. Amazed Bosch haven't done a recall for such a common fault.

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  83. Same here. Same problem and same solution. Great tip.

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  84. I had exactly the same problem on my tool, I doubt I'd have found it without your help so thanks very much for sharing this.

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  85. What is the number on the blue little diac

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  86. 3 years on and your blog is still helping out Bosch owners. 190e now fixed many thanks

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  87. hi my 190e died on me today ran out of cover two weeks ago as well looked up about my problem and came across your blog looked at the connections and there was a wire off soldered back on all working thank you very much

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  89. Bosch PMF 180e :There is a blue little Diac near 220v in on the electronic board . What is the number on this little blue one.

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    1. Anyone please i have lost the component

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  90. Hello Jan!
    Just fixed mine also!
    Thanks for your help.
    Best regards
    Pontus in Sweden

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  91. Hi I am a volunteer in Historic Dockyard Portsmouth our machine croaked in the same manner, couldn't find anything wrong first time so been looking for a circuit board but now will have another hit using your guidelines. Will let you know how it goes. Regards
    Pompeyfred

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  92. Amazing can't thank you enough for your shared info,I've just fixed two of these that were destined for the bin.
    Both had the exact same problem, both now re-soldered and ready for work again in the morning,
    Many thanks Chris Moss of Anglesey Wales.

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  93. Also saved a 190 in Denmark ;@)
    Thank you very much

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  94. Same problem, same fix. To support the wires near the crimp, I carefully applied solder tip about 5mm down to wire, heating it to melt into the nylon support so that the wire became flush with the surface

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  95. Brilliant. Thank you so much. Mine stopped halfway through a job. Saved me buying a new one.
    Thank you

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  96. Many thanks,I had a pmf190e just stopped working, wasn't over worked. Removed cover and no signs of burning, read your review and found winding wire had broken, soldered back on and off we go again many thanks

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  97. Excelent advice, This saved many hours slaving over a hot multimeter trying to fix my fiends PMF 190 E. I too could't find anything wrong with the control board and decided to have a quick look on the internet to see if anyone else had the same problem, Hey presto, there you where, Magic.
    Many Thanks

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  98. Stumbled across your page and it gave me the confidence to open up a broken 190e. Sadly, the armature stack is borked rather than a loose connection, but I appreciate the posting.

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  99. hi, where do i solder that snapped/cut wire in your picture? thanx in advance

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  100. And another one fixed in New Zealand - same problem as shown on your post .... Many, many thanks!

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  101. Saved a 190 e, TKS

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  102. Thank you for the post, it also fixed a unit here in the UK.. I managed to unwind some wire from the coil to give more length for the soldering repair. Thanks again.

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  103. Same problem on a 190 and same fix. Had it for about 7 years but very lightly used in that time (maybe a couple of times a year).

    Klutz that I am though, I tested my repair before reassembly and the thing flew onto the floor, so then I had to fix it again...

    Definitely a Bosch design flaw given the mumber of people who have commented!

    Many thanks for your blog, still proving useful after all this time :)

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  104. Many thanks. The fault that you highlighted and fixed was identical to mine.

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  105. Takk Jan!
    Identical problem, (which I missed after a quick 'on site' teardown). On the one hand this cost me 3000NOK (the cost of a new Fein) but on the other, man what a machine the Fein is! It cost three times as much as the Bosch, but it is five times as good, so I'm happy the Bosch failed in a way... And thanks to you and your eagle eyes, I now have a spare machine to lend out! Cheers from a Brit next door in Norway ;-)

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  106. Thanks, Jan!!
    Same problem on my 190, died just while working. And nothing noticeable on the wires or connection internally!
    Soldered the 4 connections, and presto, back to life!
    Thanks for documenting such a stupid design failure. And the new PMF 220 still is identical internally to this crude design!

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  107. Thank you for those blog ! It has saved me twice. I had this problem 3 years ago and totally forgot the repair. Today I used the tool again and it died... found this blog again and my 180 lives again. Once again.. Thanks Heaps...

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  108. Thank you i had the same problem bosch pmf 190 E

    the tiny cable from the coil broken.

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  109. Thanks Man !

    Here you can find pictures of the 190 model
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/0OMRjYxcl6CoJnLU2

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  110. I'm wondering if Bosch has taken any action to correct the problem for the recent new machines that they are selling.

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  111. You are the man I’d buy you a pint it was my second multi tool the first did the same and I’ve had it since 2013 and only used it a hand full of times and it let me down but yiubeas bang on the money with the fix

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  112. You are the man!!! Fixed in no time

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  113. You are a superstar. Thanks for taking the time to put your fix online. Saved me having to buy a new one, It's a fantastic bit of kit. Thanks again.

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    1. Thanks to you I have just repaired my Bosch PMF180E exactly as you described.
      I would argue that this tool is not fit for purpose given this design fault or is this clever marketing called design obsolescence. Thanks again.

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  114. Well spotted. This PMF 190E mending blog is record breaking. Wouldn't have spotted until I read your blog. Pulled at wire and it was broken in the crimp. Soldered and working now. Hearty thanks from UK

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  115. Thanks mine has just done the same thing will check

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  116. HI Jan,
    Thanks a lot for your blog wich give me the solution to repair my tool PMF 190 E with the same issue.
    Best regards frome France
    Laurent

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  117. Just to say that I've fixed my PMF 190E in exactly this way - and the same fault can occur on the Dremel 3000. I suggest dismantling the tool when new - before it fails - and adding a small amount of hot melt glue around the end of the fine wires (all 4) to give some vibration relief.

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  118. Another machine saved today, thanks Jan. mvg Roger

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  119. Fixed my tool too Jan! Cheers!

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  120. Fixed mine today, thank you for the info, it was spot on,although my soldering skills are rubbish. Surprised Bosch haven't done something about it, disappointing. Thanks again.

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  121. And one more PMF180E has been saved from the garbage thanks to Jan ;) Thank you!

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  122. Saved mine as well thanks to this little tutorial!

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  123. Continuity on my coils and armature and brushes were fine. No broken wiring joints found. Suspect it's the diac as I occasionally feel a slight kick on power up. Will try swapping blue diac marked X951 with a bog standard db3. Watch this space.

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  124. Update to my last message. The DB3 diacs arrived on a slow boat from China (20 for a pound Inc postage). On desoldering the suspect diac, it was fractured in half (without any force being applied to it). I replaced it with new DB3 and it's spinning again. Happy days :-)

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  125. Thanks a lot for this post! My wire didn't look broken, but I put some solder on it anyways and it came alive again!!

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  126. Another PMF190E saved here too. This post must have saved £000’s in replacement tools and probably a tiny bit towards saving the planet too!

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  127. This is my first time visit to your blog and I am very interested in the articles that you serve. Provide enough knowledge for me. Thank you for sharing useful and don't forget, keep sharing useful info: Multi tool blades pack

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  128. Another PMF190E fixed. Thanks Jan.

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  129. Andrew Radford17 May 2019 at 19:46

    What an amazing blog, thank you for the info, my multi tool stopped yesterday, fixed today, exact same problem, kind regards Andrew

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  130. As with everyone else, thank god for the internet and yourselve

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  131. Thanks for the blog ... Exactly the same thing happened to my PMF 190e. Blob of solder, as recommended sorted it out. One tip, don't be too elaborate when soldering - tried winding around another piece of wire first and then soldering which of course doesn't work as the thin wires are insulated. Doh!

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